The ousted player says he had a “tough” time at Ponderosa after being voted out.

Bruce Perreaultnever really got a chance to playSurvivorthe first time around.

But in other ways, it was a rough go for Bruce.

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’.CBS

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, how close were you to playing your immunity idol at Tribal Council?

Yeah, we’re the Belo hot mess tribe, which is perfectly fine.

Listen, if you’re going to be known for something, be known for that.

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’.CBS

But I think that our conversations about eliminating people took place way too early.

So no gelling in my eyes really took place.

Why bring Katurah of all people in on your plan to lie about giving your idol to Kellie?

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’.CBS

I was figuring it out myself.

The first two weeks or so, I was like, Oh, yep, I annoyed Katurah.

I’m not even mad at her at this point in time.

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’

Bruce Perreault on ‘Survivor 45’.CBS

I’m just mad at the scenario.

For us to be able to sit there and be tied together: Katurah hates Bruce.

Bruce has no idea.

Bruce is a dumbass that then gets voted out.

I imagine that was difficult.

Yeah, that was very difficult.

I’m not everybody’s cup of tea.

I understand that I’m a 70s baby.

It is what it is.

But Kellie and I are awesome right now.

It was gameplay and that’s how I look at it.

And she was very, very receptive to it.

So did you have that conversation with your family, and if so, how did that go?

I say it all the time: two ears, one mouth, which one wins?

And I actively kind of put that into play as much as I could.

But you could adjust as necessary.

And I think that I did do that because my daughter and I have never been closer.

She’s away at college right now and she calls me every single day.

She called me last night, she was crying that I was not on any longer.

That’s just kind of a little bit of a testament to the relationship that she and I have.

People should do it more often.

Lets get to the good stuff: You won two immunities back-to-back.

Was that the height of yourSurvivorexperience over two seasons?

Yeah, that was truly an incredible feeling.

I got so many amazing messages of inspiration from people saying, Bruce, you kicked ass.

The highs that came with that were absolutely amazing.

Should I ever play again, I’ll still be able to bring the same tenacity to the challenges.

But yeah, this has been a great check mark off of the bucket list ofSurvivor.

I’m going to blow up the editing real quick.

I’m answering questions.

But when you got a pair of scissors and it’s possible for you to cut stuff…

I’m a dad, I understand it.

I got the dad edit.

We can talk about it or be about it.

Everyone wanted to sit and talk about it.

So that was that.

Whats something that happened out there that you wish we had a chance to see?

And it wasn’t always knives out for Bruce from Katurah.

There was more to it than that.

When we sat there and were like, Okay, what are we going to do?

So I put great input on that, just like everybody else.

So I wish they would’ve showed that as well.

So those two things, just the way that we worked together, we didn’t lose challenges.

But at the same time, everyone loved you and was throwing you flowers because of poor Bruce.

Now you get a more typicalSurvivorexperience, but you see that a typicalSurvivorexperience can be a mixed one.

So how are you now mentally after this one compared to the first one?

I like to keep them both in two separate brackets.

There’s an ego that comes along with it, and everybody has one.

I enjoy being hated on.

It wasn’t anybody else.

I wanted to go fight againsthim.

But mentally, I felt that I had a little bit more.

Only reason I lost was because of those pinkies.

My pinkies fell asleep and I just couldn’t feel a thing.

So that’s why I fell off.

So you get some hate from that.

So I had some fun with it.