Warning: This article contains spoilers from theOuter Banksseason 4, part 2 finale.
The Poguesaren’t invincible after all.
And JJ even did it with a smile!

Rudy Pankow, Tony Crane.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
Its really surprising."
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Why did you kill JJ?!
SHANNON BURKE:It was something we always knew we were going to do.

Jonathan Daviss, Chase Stokes, Carlacia Grant, Madelyn Cline, Madison Bailey, Rudy Pankow.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
As it goes on, he goes more off the rails, but also is more giving.
Thats the yin and yang to his character.
And then Groff stabbed him anyway!

Pollyanna McIntosh, Rigo Sanchez.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
Its definitely by design.
Groff is just bad.
Hes our villain… Hes like the bad version of JJ.

Madelyn Cline, Carlacia Grant, Madison Bailey, Chase Stokes, Jonathan Daviss.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
Ive seen it probably hundreds of times and I flinch every time.
I know its coming but the way it happens, its just so surprising.
Hes gotten past this.

Rudy Pankow.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
Hes been in a bad place and has been spinning for a lot of the season.
But we were incredibly uncertain about doing it until the last minute.
Thats part of growing up, and that was the idea.

Drew Starkey.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix
Everyone was crying on set.
Maddie was great, Rudy was great, and Tony was so evil.
They all brought their A game, and it breaks my heart every time I see it.
We cry every time we see it.
You said Rudy was excited about this when did he learn about JJs fate?
I cant remember exactly when it was.
Like, “Take care of all of them.”
Will Rudy still return for the final season in any capacity, like flashbacks?
Thats a great question maybe?
[Laughs] I wouldnt put it out of the realm of possibility.
I wouldnt say for sure but I wouldnt be surprised if it happened.
What can you tease about how JJs death is going to affect the Pogues heading into the final season?
Its not something you get over in a day or an episode.
Which characters journey are you most excited to explore in the aftermath of losing JJ?
She has turned into a different person and were excited for that and Maddie’s really excited for that.
Shes a great actor and were really so excited for her and its so deserving.
She can really show what she can do.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
Outer Banksseason 4, part 2 is now streaming on Netflix.