Both of their movies,SidewaysandThe Holdovers, scored Best Picture Oscar nominations.

Perhaps, though, he’s not grumpy just for the sake of it.

What is going through one’s mind [once it’s time for] your category?

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But what’s it like for you?

I take a stab at have no expectation of anything if I can.

[Laughs] I just don’t know what’s going to happen.

THE HOLDOVERS

Dominic Sessa, Da’Vine Joy Randolph, and Paul Giamatti in ‘The Holdovers’.Seacia Pavao/FOCUS FEATURES

So it’s just a panicky moment in a lot of ways.

You’ve done well so far.

I don’t know if they have celebrity spokespeople, but I hope the offer comes your way.

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Dominic Sessa and Paul Giamatti in ‘The Holdovers’.Courtesy FOCUS FEATURES

[Laughs] That would be nice!

Do you remember what it was?

No, I don’t.

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Director Alexander Payne and stars Paul Giamatti and Da’Vine Joy Randolph on the set of ‘The Holdovers’.Seacia Pavao/FOCUS FEATURES LLC

Alright, I’ll give you a little hint.

It was for Favorite Supporting Actor.

The year was 2001.

Margot Robbie in Barbie; Emma Stone in Poor Things; Colman Domingo in Rustin; DaVine Joy Randolph as Mary Lamb in THE HOLDOVERS

It was forBig Momma’s Houseat the Blockbuster Entertainment Awards.

I had no idea.

I don’t think anybody ever even told me.

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The 22nd Annual SAG Awards!.Credit: Kevork Djansezian / Stringer / Getty Images

I guess I didn’t, did I. I didn’t get [the trophy].

What are your memories of making that film?

It was a lot of fun, that thing.

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She has a tiny role in that movie, but I remember hanging out with her.

It was very funny, and that whole thing was just goofy and funny and ridiculous and silly.

And here you are.

Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling Dancing at Dream House in ‘Barbie’

Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie in ‘Barbie’.Courtesy of Warner Bros.

Okay, so you’re a graduate of Yale, got a degree in English.

At some point, were you perhaps going to be a Mr. Hunham yourself?

I also come from a family of teachers.

Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling in ‘Barbie’

Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling in ‘Barbie’.Atsushi Nishijima/Warner Bros.

And I have cousins who are teachers, and everybody’s teachers.

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So then did you know people like Huhham?

Did he feel familiar in any way?

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Oh, very much so.

There were girls there [by then], so there was that.

Da’Vine Joy Randolph is also a graduate of that.

Emma Stone, Da’Vine Joy Randolph, Christopher Nolan

We definitely were on the same wavelength.

She was one of those actors where we never talked about anything.

We never talked about, “On this scene, do you think…?”

L to R: Cillian Murphy (as J. Robert Oppenheimer) and writer, director, and producer Christopher Nolan on the set of OPPENHEIMER

Cillian Murphy and Christopher Nolan on the set of ‘Oppenheimer’.Melinda Sue Gordon/Universal Pictures

Never, because it just was happening and we didn’t need to.

You want me to get really woo-woo?

We’re both Geminis.

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Emma Stone in ‘Poor Things’.Searchlight Pictures/YouTube

See, I took it there.

[Laughs] That’s where I go with it.

The stars fated it.

Robert Downey Jr is Lewis Strauss in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan

I was about to say, the stars definitely aligned for that one.

Reuniting with Alexander Payne, had you two been looking for something else to do together?

Yes, we’ve been talking about doing stuff.

THE HOLDOVERS

Damon’s phone rings when I turn something down.

I mean, but it’s not something…sure, I suppose.

I’m nothing if not a very realistic human being, especially when it comes to the business.

Robert Downey Jr is Lewis Strauss in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan

It didn’t surprise me.

I went on to do other wonderful things, and I got to do this with Alexander.

I understand why you wanted to play this character.

THE HOLDOVERS

I want to do that part.

I want to have that thing to do.

There was a funny thing with this character.

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I thought, how are we going to do that?

I’ve never done something like this.

I’d really like to do something like this.

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And that was strangely a very enjoyable part of playing this character.

[Laughs]That was all from David Hemingson’s script from the get-go, right?

In that story, the character also has a sort of condition with his eye.

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You have said those contacts kind of made you blind in that eye.

Yeah, well, it did.

They’re these little works of art.

The Best Blacktresses - Collage of Diana Ross in ‘Lady Sings the Blues’; Cicely Tyson in ‘Sounder’; Diahann Carroll in ‘Claudine’ inside film strip

So it was actually an interesting sort of thing to then have to play with.

It was really cool.How did that physical aspect impact your mental or emotional approach?

So it all contributes to that very much so.

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In addition to the lazy eye, he has trimethylaminuria.

It increases through the day.

It’s terrible, terrible.

The Best Blacktresses - collage of Angela Bassett in ‘What’s Love Got to Do With It?’ inside film strip

It is a bit of both.

I think he’s got a little bit of sort of self-loathing, but not a ton.

It’s an interesting character.

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That kind of resignation in a person is intense.

It’s sad and it’s an interesting thing to play.

I really liked her.

Maybe she liked me."

He says, “You’re a fool,” to himself.

“Why did you ever even think that was going to happen for you?

Of course, it’s not.

Why did you put yourself in this position?”

It’s that, that he feels that’s really painful.

The sense that he could even aspire to, it’s not even there anymore.

Yeah, I think it happened a lot on this.

That scene really nailed it.

I think we’re getting it right.

The language of this thing was so “delicious” is a word that applies here.

So all of the baroque put downs and stuff like that were really great.

[Laughs] It’s very funny.

The guy gets off a good parting shot to those people.

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